Hong Kong Visas Made Easy

13

Jun 2018

Will the Hong Kong Immigration Department Extend Your Visitor Visa if You Ask Them To?

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I have received 2 questions on the topic of ‘long stay’ visitor visas and the extension possibilities in the last 24 hours so am taking the opportunity to merge them into a single answer here.

QUESTION

“Hi, I think I could use some of your quality advice. My situation seems to be quite complicated, so I will keep it as simple as possible.

Last year, I moved to Hong Kong between October and March. I obtained a 6-month training visa for this period. Between the end of March and June, I traveled around Asia and returned to Hong Kong for a week during the beginning of June (on a visitor visa). I then returned home to Europe, where I decided that I wanted to move back out to Hong Kong in search of a permanent position (and live with my sister in the meantime). I have now been in HK since the 16th of August (approx 75 days) and therefore I am nearing the end of my visitor visa. I still have not found a job, therefore I have to go about renewing it. 

I would like to know from you, what you would do in my situation for the renewal of my visitor visa. I have heard that I can do a quick return trip to Macau or that I can submit a demand to the Immigration Department and request another 90 days. What method would you suggest?”

AND

“Hi Visa Geeza, I’ve got a question. For the past two years I have stayed in Hong Kong for over 500 days (in and out of Macau every three months/90 days) and now I’m wondering how long I can pull this off without raising red flags. I am not employed in any way and have just spent my days with my daughter who’s studying at university here.”

ANSWER

I’ve covered a lot of ground in recent times about the issue of visitor visas and what it takes to get them extended. All of this material is detailed in the links that I included on this post.

But these two questions get to the heart of what the Immigration Department make of people who have genuine reasons to visit Hong Kong and want to stay on an extended basis. But in the final analysis, the essence of the answer raised this question. Is really this follows, firstly if you apply for an extension to visit a visa immigration tower it’s your opportunity to explain to the Immigration Department about what’s keeping you here and it allows Immigration Department take a view as to your activities and your rationale for remaining. What is really a long stay basis as a visitor?

And then secondly, in disclosing your circumstances to Immigration Department and the Immigration Tower, this way you can expect to receive an extension to the visitor visa that they think is commensurate with the need to stay longer versus the time that you’ve already planned here.

Thirdly, as part of the extension exercise you can expect the Immigration Department to ask you to give an undertaking as to when your visit will end and that you will leave Hong Kong for good. Meaning for a least a 12 months period before you’re seeking to return.

Fourthly, if you decide not to apply to Immigration Tower then you need to exit and then you need to leave Hong Kong via the airport or via the Macau Ferry Terminal or the [Unclear] one of the boundaries to China.

Fifthly, each time you present yourself to the airport or the boundaries the Immigration Officer in front of you is assessing you afresh as to your bona fide days as a visitor each time you  present yourself.

Sixthly, bear in mind that the immigration officers have every discretion to refuse to admit you, that they can admit you for just a short period only, they can give you a short conditional landing status or they can simply let you through.

And each time you present yourself this is a new examination of your circumstances but it’s also true to say that once you spend more than 180 days as a visitor in any given 12 month period they’re likely to appear on their radar as you make your entry into Hong Kong.

Also note that a visa to visit is just that. It isn’t a resident visa and your time in Hong Kong as a visitor is going to come to an end sooner if not later. The longer you’re able to string out your time in Hong Kong, the sooner you’re going to have to leave permanently. But having family who have residency in Hong Kong is a good reason for spending an extended period of time here and can explain your visit history accordingly, but it doesn’t afford you the residency rights in on itself and the only way you can properly factor family into the visitor visa mix is to present yourself at Immigration Tower and allow them to understand all of this and to take a view and to determine exactly how much time you’re going to apply to remain here.

But it’s fair to say that the guys in Wanchai, are a lot less generous about what you can get away with that you can at the border but it’s at the border where the biggest risk lies.

More Stuff You May Find Useful or Interesting

The long stay visitor’s awkward predicament

If You Stay in Hong Kong for 7 Years as a De-facto Spouse Holding a Prolonged Visitor Visa Will You Qualify for Permanent Residency?

Is the ‘Shenzhen Shuttle’ a good way to extend your visitor visa?

Is it possible to get an extension to my visitor visa to stay with my girlfriend here?

Can I come to Hong Kong as a visitor, find a job then change to an employment visa?

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07

Jun 2018

Losing Your Right of Abode in Hong Kong & Then Using eChannels

Posted by / in Long Stay & PR, Your Question Answered / No responses

QUESTION

“Can I ask a simple question – do you know of anyone (not Chinese) who has actually lost the right of abode after 36 months absence?

I do know the theory and the provisions in the Ordinance but how about in practice?

I ask because my (Australian) daughter may have lost hers after 38 months absence but how will the loss manifest itself if she arrives say, tomorrow, and tries to enter through the e gate?

I have to tell you that my (New Zealand) husband was informed a while ago that he (not a PR) had lost his unconditional stay status after an absence of 14 months.

He had to enter on his passport. But a few days later he went to Shenzhen using his ID card to leave and then successfully re-entered with his ID card! And now clearly still has unconditional stay!

It seems reality does not always follow the rules.”

ANSWER

Now this is a really interesting question!

The loss of status occurs by operation of law and policy and it doesn’t automatically follow that the Hong Kong immigration department systems are trailing right in their wake.

So, assuming an adult is over 21 then his status will be downgraded to the right to land. For all practical purposes this is the same as the right of abode although she and has lost the right to vote.

Technically, she should relinquish her permanent identity card and apply for and be issued with a non-permanent identity card. She can reacquire the right of abode again if she applies for it after another seven years of continuous ordinary residence in Hong Kong.

As for your husband I’d urge you to regularize his immigration status to resident once again by an application for him to be your dependent. If he has lost his unconditional stay then he’s no longer technically resident in the HKSAR and he’ll be here as a visitor.

As a non-resident he doesn’t have the right to use the e-channels even though he has physical possession of a Hong Kong ID card that’s facilitating his movements across the boundaries. It really does make sense not to do that again honestly.

More Stuff You May Find Interesting or Useful

Redundancy – the process pitfalls of an expiring Hong Kong employment visa

Can a Hong Kong Training Visa Be Used As a Stepping Stone to a Full Employment Visa?

I’ve lost my job. What about my employment visa – will I get kicked out of Hong Kong?

10 Must Have resources for a successful Hong Kong permanent residency application

Will I still qualify for the right of abode if I worked temporarily in Macau yet lived in Hong Kong for the full 7 years?

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02

Jun 2018

Coming to Hong Kong For The First Time?

Posted by / in Feature Article, Musing / No responses

Coming to Hong Kong for the first time? Here are 11 things YOU need to know before you go to Hong Kong!

A comprehensive travel guide to bring you up to speed on the weather, language, getting around and more!

All The Basics You Need To Know About Food In Hong Kong

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26

May 2018

Am I Eligible for An Extension to My Hong Kong Dependant Visa if My PHKID Card Holding Spouse Doesn’t Actually Live Here Now?

Posted by / in Family Visas, Your Question Answered / 8 responses

The Hong Kong Immigration Department grant dependant visas on the basis of family reunion in Hong Kong.

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Where, however, the sponsoring spouse is no longer resident in the HKSAR, the question is begged as to whether or not an extension will be available for the sponsored dependant visa holder?

QUESTION

I currently live in Hong Kong on a dependent visa.

For the past two years my husband (a permanent resident of Hong Kong) started to live and work in the United Kingdom because we planned to settle in the UK in the future . Unfortunately he was unable to process a UK visa for me because of uncertainty of  jobs there, which is not possible till now.

My Hong Kong dependant visa is expiring soon so he will come back to Hong Kong for my visa extension.

My question.  Is there any supporting documents needed from my husband because he is staying outside of Hong  Kong?

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I have been made redundant but my wife is working – can we swap our employment and spouse visas around so I can become her dependant in Hong Kong?

What type of visa do you think you need for Hong Kong?

Do I automatically qualify for a Hong Kong dependant visa if my partner has a work or investment visa here?

What are your visa options if your marriage has irretrievably broken down in Hong Kong?

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24

May 2018

Can I Work on the Side Under a Hong Kong Work Visa (Can I Have a Side Job)?

Posted by / in Employment Visas, Your Question Answered / No responses

So, exactly what privileges come with a Hong Kong work visa? Can you actually work on the side under a Hong Kong work visa?

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QUESTION

Hi!

I have a question regarding employment visas. I currently hold a full time Hong Kong work visa from a company (X), and I just registered my own business and will have several avenues of work for this. Therefore, I’ve been told I should change my visa over so that my company sponsors myself to do all the work through these different avenues, including company X.

Is this the right procedure?

Otherwise, can I maintain my work for company X, while my company gets paid (instead of me) for the other work I’m doing? Is that allowed?

THANK you!

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Do you need a visa to operate a business in Hong Kong if you are not yet resident here?

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20

May 2018

How to Apply for the Right of Abode in Hong Kong (American Club Talk) – Part 1 of 7 – The Make Up of My Presentation

Posted by / in Long Stay & PR, Musing, Resource / 5 responses

First Published on June 10, 2014

On May 29, 2014 The Henley Group sponsored a talk on How to Apply for the Right of Abode in Hong Kong at the American Club.

Spaces were limited and it booked out pretty quickly.

Nevertheless, we recorded the whole presentation and are pleased to produce it here in 7 parts.

The entire talk will be posted on this website over the course of the next couple of weeks

We originally produced a version of this presentation last year.

However, this time we can bring the material to life a bit more with an actively engaged audience and a lovely ambiance to the session all told.

I hope you get value from it.

A hat tip to my new colleague Chris Michael Owen who joined us recently to head up our video production endeavours as our resident cinematographer here in Hong Kong.

Chris joins our team working closely to complement the Sterling  work of our long-standing video artist guru, India-based, Chirag Sachdeva.

Together we have big plans for the rest of the year and you will begin to see a significant uplift of the volume and quality of our video content as Visa Geeza TV emerges from the drawing board little by little as a result of our recent investment in the Video Cha Cha studio in Wanchai.

Either way, our intention is to help answer your Hong Kong visa questions and assist in solving your immigration problems.

Our websites are about you, not us, and we’re just happy to have you around.

The Other Segments of this Talk

Part 2 – 7 Years in Hong Kong – Do You Qualify?

Part 3 –  Hong Kong Ordinary Residence & When it Starts

Part 4 – Maintaining & Breaking Your Ordinary Residence

Part 5 – Settlement & Only Place of Permanent Residence

Part 6 – Paperwork & Process

Part 7 – Keeping it & Losing it!

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Will I still qualify for the right of abode if I worked temporarily in Macau yet lived in Hong Kong for the full 7 years?

Does my child get the right of abode if she wasn’t born in Hong Kong but I have the right to land?

Strategy on how to craft an argument to appeal a refused Hong Kong right of abode application

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17

May 2018

The Immigration Department Start Issuing ‘Out of Policy’ Hong Kong Dependant Visas for Qualifying Same Sex Partners On An Interim Basis

Posted by / in Family Visas, Musing / No responses

Hong Kong dependant visas for qualifying same sex partners? Progress it seems.

ImmD have quietly, of late, started issuing same sex partners who are married or have a civil partnership with an immigration status that is equal to a dependant visa.

The status is ‘permission to remain in Hong Kong under only a limit of time’. This means that the holder can work and secure a Hong Kong Identity Card. It’s the functional equivalent of a dependant visa but, it seems, it not formally a dependant visa (just yet).

The move comes after Hong Kong’s Court of Appeal ruled last year that authorities were wrong to deny a visa to a British national seeking dependent status on the basis of a same-sex partnership. Same-sex spouses of Hong Kong residents can now obtain visas, but the case has been appealed to Hong Kong’s Supreme Court, which could reverse the Court of Appeal’s ruling. Arguments before the Supreme Court are scheduled for June 4.

The following (redacted) letter of approval from a  recent case sets out how / why are they are doing it.

Ideally a marriage certificate must be available in support of the application. A civil partnership may still be acceptable but in the final analysis it is down to the discretion of the examining officer to accept a civil partnership as part of the assessment for the existence of a genuine relationship. (NB civil partnerships between heterosexual partners do not yet attract dependant visa eligibility.)

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Can the employer sponsoring a gay employee’s Hong Kong employment visa assist in any way in a visa application for an accompanying life-partner?

Can I work remotely for an overseas employer whilst I remain in Hong Kong with my same sex partner  on a prolonged visitor visa?

A harsh decision – why the Immigration Department will not give my client a prolonged visitor visa

What Hong Kong visa options exist for unmarried trailing partners?

STOP PRESS..! Hitler’s HKSAR passport application has been refused! 

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