One of the really neat things about running this Blog, is the incredibly varied type of Hong Kong visa and immigration question I receive. Like this one today, which is a definite first for me!
QUESTION
Hello, I am a white British person considering applying for Taiwanese Citizenship.
I also have PR in Hong Kong. If I got a Taiwanese passport does the Hong Kong government consider me to now be ‘Chinese’ or do they not respect the authority of the Taiwanese government to issue such a status?
Eg, If I leave Hong Kong for 36 months will I keep PR or lose it?
Namely, you need to have been continuously and ordinarily resident in the HKSAR for at least 7 years in or to qualify for either of these immigration consents.
But, whilst the right of abode is the Rolls Royce immigration status representing defacto Hong Kong citizenship (albeit without a passport if you’re not a Chinese national), unconditional stay is merely an administrative convenience afforded to you by the Director of Immigration.
If you have the right of abode in Hong Kong you get:
• to land
• to be free from any condition of stay (including a limit of stay)
• not to be deported; and
• not to be removed.
Moreover, so long as you make one entry into Hong Kong in any 3 year given period, you will not lose your right of abode. If you fail to meet this condition, however, you are simply downgraded to the right to land.
If you only go for unconditional stay, though, you are allowed to remain here unconditionally, meaning no sponsor or further permission of the Immigration Department are needed to live out your time in the HKSAR, but you will lose this status if you are absent from Hong Kong for more than 365 continuous days in a row.
So, most people who qualify for upgraded immigration status after living continuously in Hong Kong for 7 years go on to secure the right of abode bypassing unconditional stay completely.
However, for those long stay residents who have not taken Hong Kong as their only place of permanent residence or for Capital Investment Entrant Scheme visa holders who have not lived full time in Hong Kong during the 7 years of holding that status, Unconditional Stay is an obvious choice to go for.
One refrain about the Hong Kong visa process that I have heard constantly down the years is that ‘it’s getting tougher’.
In fact, it always seems to be ‘getting tougher’.
I heard this prior to 1997 when all the British nationals needed to bring their immigration status into line with the arrangements for UK citizens in light of the Handback to China.
I also heard it during the time of the Asian economic crisis, 9/11, the Iraq War, SARS and during the GFC.
In my experience, however, it never really gets tougher, per se.
What tends to happen is that, in times of economic doldrums, the Hong Kong ID will scrutinize marginal employment visa applications more closely, to ensure that, properly stated, job offers extended to foreign national applicants are in fact not best taken up by others from within the local workforce.
It’s worth restating, that this tends to happen only at the very lower end of the employment spectrum, where the compensation on offer is just at or barely above the bare minimum required for approval.
Most other employment visa applicants just have a normal time of it.
Conversely, when the economy is bad is tends to be easier to get investment visas approved.
This is due to the fact that any foreign national who is committing capital to our economy and is manifestly capable of creating a local employment position or 2 through the implementation of a business plan, is mostly warmly welcomed when the economy is not performing especially well.
In so far as the process goes, the Hong Kong Immigration Department tend not to be overly bureaucratic and focus on getting the job done with a bare minimum of fuss.
This means that, unlike so many other jurisdictions, they are usually happy to work with mere copy documents, often those supplied just by fax, in an effort to bring efficiency to the Hong Kong immigration application process.
So no, it’s not getting tougher, it’s always pretty much the same – and has been like this for 20 years at least.
If you’re applying for a visa under the Capital Investment Entrant Scheme, it is vitally important that four specific issues be addressed positively before you submit your application.
Firstly, you need to have a minimum of ten million Hong Kong dollars to lock into certain Hong Kong dollar denominated permissible investment asset classes which, at this time, specifically EXCLUDES Hong Kong real estate.
Secondly, you must be able to show that you have beneficially owned the funds to be invested into the Scheme for a minimum of 24 months immediately prior to submitting your application – so you need to take care in your calculations if some of these funds have been held in joint accounts with other people such as your spouse.
Thirdly, in addition to the funds to be invested, you need to show that you have further funds, over and above the 10 million, which you can use to live while you get settled in the HKSAR.
Finally, you must be free of a criminal record involving serious crime.
Depending on the timing of your actual investment, either before or after you decide to participate in the Scheme, you can expect your application to take between 4 and 7 months to finalise.
Be aware, however, that once you have your Capital Investment Entrant Scheme visa endorsed in your passport, your money is locked into Hong Kong if you wish to maintain your status.
But your immigration prize is effectively unlimited permissions to work, study, join in a business or indeed any other activity in Hong Kong – just so long as its legal!
Even modestly scaled SME’s with a track record of operations overseas can expect the Hong Kong Immigration Department to look favourably on an application from the owner for a business investment visa to, effectively, redomicile the business operations into Hong Kong. This question asked recently sets the scene nicely.
QUESTION
“Firstly thanks for providing such an excellent resource for HK visa information!
I’m a 24 year from Canada currently working for myself as a sole trader developing and selling software on the internet with a view to applying for a business investment visa within the next year.
My plan would be to register a company in Hong Kong, and perform all my business through it for roughly 6 months (whilst residing in Canada of course!) so that I can build up capital and have documented proof I have a profitable venture when presenting HKID with my visa application.
Currently I am the only person developing the software and I sell around 75,000 HKD each month, this figure is increasing month on month. I estimate I can make profits of 100,000 HKD/month by early 2013. I would have around 300,000 HKD I could invest into the business at the time of the visa application.
Upon the visa being granted my plan would be to rent a small office in a cheaper part of Hong Kong (possibly the New Territories) and hire 1 local to begin with a plan to hire 1 more within a year. Both employees would work in a software development role where there would be a lot of scope for learning about and working with cutting edge web technologies. Their salaries would be around 10 – 15k per month.
What I’d really like to know is do you think the figures quoted above are realistic for a successful visa application? I know there’s most likely no official minimum figure but after reading your website a lot of the articles quote figures quite a bit higher so I’m slightly doubtful. Also would my age be an issue? do HKID favor slightly older more experienced business owners?
On Mr Whelan’s show today, he was keen to learn more about visitor visas and also the immigration options for dependant visa holders who’s marriages have irretrievably broken down. We also had a short chat about the two-party nature of a Hong Kong employment visa application and the likelihood of small business owners actually being permitted by the HKID to employ a foreign worker.
3 or 4 times a week I receive a call from people who have exactly the same problem.It happens so often now, that I can tell what the problem is within the first 5 seconds of our conversation kicking off.
And 9 times out of 10 these calls all follow a similar story line.
Namely…..
“ I have been here as a visitor for several months, coming and going to extend my visa. I’ve been checking out my options and I’m just about ready to make an application but I still need a couple of months more.
The problem is that when I came in last time Immigration gave me only one week and stamped SCL in my passport. I need more time, can you help me? “
And in almost every case, the answer is no.
Effectively once you have a Short Conditional Landing endorsed in your passport, your time in Hong Kong as a visitor is effectively coming to an end.
The only way to relieve this negative status is to leave Hong Kong for a minimum of 12 months or subsequently go on to secure a residence visa. But you will have to wait outside of Hong Kong until that residence visa application has been finalized.
So either way, it’s time to start packing your bags.
The conversations that I have with these unfortunate people all tend to end in the same way.
You see, whilst the Immigration Department do have a very flexible, friendly and liberal approach to visitors to Hong Kong, it is important to remember that visitor mean visitor.
It doesn’t mean quasi-resident or long stay comer and goer.
The Department are well aware that opportunities in Hong Kong for visitors present themselves all the time and are more than happy to allow a foreign national sufficient time to get his ducks lined up in a row whilst the conditions for a resident visa application manifest themselves.
But the generous 90 or 180 day limit of stay afforded to most western nationalities is, with one or 2 trips in and out, mostly enough time to get everything ready for the main application and any longer than this puts the Department on notice that something may be amiss, for example, that the visitor may be working illegally or has established a business without their approval.
So, when they suspect this may be the case, they simply come down hard.
Bang, here’s your short conditional landing and then off you go. Almost without exception.
With only limited resources, it’s the only way the Immigration Department can police the millions of visitors who come to Hong Kong each year.
When they act, they do so decisively and appeals for further extensions of time typically just fall on deaf ears.
Everyone seems to know someone who just keeps coming and going but eventually they go, and never come back.