Hong Kong Visas Made Easy

31

Jul 2012

If I Am an Overseas Chinese and My Mother Holds a HKSAR Passport and a PHKID Card Do I Have the Right of Abode in Hong Kong?

Posted by / in Long Stay & PR, Your Question Answered / 11 responses

The question of permanent residency in Hong Kong is one of the most complex areas of immigration practice and this question is helpful in that it speaks to the situation of ethnically Chinese foreign nationals with Hong Kong parentage.

QUESTION

“I am a mother of three children. I hold a Permanent Hong Kong Identity card as well as a HKSAR passport. My husband is Malaysian and I have lived there for the last 22 years. My eldest child was born in Hong Kong before we moved to Malaysia full time.  My two other children (a girl and a boy) were born in Malaysia. A few years ago I was able to secure a Permanent Hong Kong Identity Card for my eldest child and now I would like to do the same for my other 2 children. Can you tell me if they will qualify or not? Thank you!”

Thanks for your question. Can you please provide me with some further information as below:

How old are your 2 other children now?

“Daughter: 19 years old this year”

“Son: 11 years old this year”

What nationality were you when your children were born?

“Malaysia and Hong Kong”

What nationality are you now?

“Malaysia and Hong Kong”

What nationality are your children now?

“Malaysia”

Where do your children live now?

“Malaysia”

Have your children ever lived in Hong Kong before? If so, when and for how long?

“No”

Did they do any schooling here?

“No”

What year did you move back to Hong Kong from Malaysia?

“I am currently living in Malaysia, I’m just here for holiday”

What nationality is your husband?

“Malaysian”

Where does your husband live now?

“Malaysia”


ANSWER

In order to secure permanent Hong Kong identity cards, we must establish that your daughter and son are ‘permanent residents’ of Hong Kong.

A permanent resident of the HKSAR is defined under paragraph 2 of  Schedule 1 to the Immigration Ordinance. Here are the relevant sections:

2              … A person who is within one of the following categories is a permanent resident of the HKSAR….

(a)   A Chinese citizen born in Hong Kong.

(b)   A Chinese citizen who has ordinary resided in Hong Kong for a continuous period of not less than 7 years.

(c)    A person of Chinese nationality born outside of Hong Kong to a parent who, at the time of birth of that person, was a Chinese citizen falling within Category (a) or (b).

(d)  

“Chinese citizen” is defined under paragraph 1(1) of the Schedule 1 to the Immigration Ordinance.

“Chinese citizen” means a person of Chinese nationality under the Nationality Law of the PRC as implemented in the HKSAR pursuant to Article 18 of and Annex III to the Basic Law and interpreted in accordance with the Explanations of Some Question by the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress Cioncerning the Implementation of the Nationality Law of the PRC (‘CNL’) in the HKSAR adopted at the 19th meeting of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress at the 8th National People’s Congress on 15 May, 1996.

Article 5 of the CNL stipulates that:

“Any person born abroad who parents are Chinese nationals or one of whose parent is a Chinese national shall have Chinese nationality. But a person who parents are both Chinese nationals and have both settled abroad, or one of whose parents is a Chinese national and has settled abroad, and who has acquired foreign nationality at birth shall not have Chinese nationality.”

So, the crucial point in considering whether your daughter and son are permanent residents of Hong Kong for the purposes of getting Permanent Identity Cards is whether they were Chinese nationals at the time of their birth. Whether they are Chinese nationals or not therefore hinges on if you, their mother (who is a Chinese national), were settled abroad at the time of their birth.

From the information you have provided to me it appears that:

1 – You, their mother, are a Chinese national.

2 – At the time of the birth of your daughter and son you were settled abroad in Malaysia.

3 – Consequently, by operation of Chinese nationality law, your daughter and son are not Chinese nationals.

4 – Indeed, they acquired Malaysian nationality at the time of their birth.

5 – Consequently, as your children are not Chinese nationals they cannot be deemed permanent residents of Hong Kong by virtue of their relationship to you.

6 – Meaning, their application for Permanent Hong Kong Identity Cards is unlikely to be successful.

However, you will never know if you do not try.

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26

Jul 2012

7 Years Residence in Hong Kong Under the Capital Investment Entrant Scheme – What Permanent Residency Options Exist?

Posted by / in Investment Visas, Long Stay & PR, Your Question Answered / 2 responses

The Capital Investment Entrant Scheme has been a god send for reasonably well off people who have always fancied the idea of residence in Hong Kong but who were reluctant to start an operating business to be able to accomplish this. The following question raises the issue of how to disentangle yourself from the visa, releasing your CIES investment funds (either HKD6.5 or 10 million depending on when you were approved) at the end of your 7th year holding that status.

QUESTION

“Hi Visa Geeza, my family has invested with HK under the CIES and have been granted Identity Cards thereafter. (Pls note that we are not employed nor running a business in HK – but outside – so we are not considered as expats.) This year marks our 7th year and we would like to apply for permanent residency. We know that applicants under CIES need not to stay in Hong Kong as much as those who are applying simply for permanent residency. Could you tell us where we can find the eligibility requirement specifics for applicants from the CIES particularly for the required number of days stay in Hong Kong for the last 7 years?  Thank you.”

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14

Jul 2012

Hong Kong Investment Visa – Case Which Would Not Get Approved Today But Will Be Approved 9 ~ 12 Months From Now

Posted by / in Investment Visas, Refusals & Appeals, Your Question Answered / 10 responses

This question is a really interesting one as, from an immigration perspective, it suffers from the lack of a compelling reason for the owner of the business to be able to show the Hong Kong Immigration Department that she is in a position to make a substantial contribution to the economy of Hong Kong – today. Next year, however, she may be much better placed…

QUESTION

“I am looking to establish my business in Hong Kong so I would need to get a Business Investment Visa, and I am wondering if you could take a quick look at my situation.

My current situation is this:

• I am a 25 year old woman of Swedish nationality.

• I have a current business (sole proprietorship) in Sweden.

• My business is in Internet Marketing, my main specialisation is in driving traffic (visitors) to e-commerce websites.

• My main partners are Ebay.com and Amazon.com.

• I have been focusing mainly on the American market.

• This business is fully Internet based, which means.

• Me and my employees only need a computer with Internet for work.

• I can relocate my whole business without any problems.

• Currently I have 3 “employees”, all are from the India.

• On average I pay them 8.000 HKD / month for full time work.

• I don’t have any official contracts stating they are my employees, I think they would fall under the category freelancers.

• I started this business officially in 2010.

• In 2010 I made a profit of 22.000 Euro (~210.000 HKD) – 40.000 Euro revenue, 18.000 Euro expenses.

• In 2011 I made a profit of 25.000 Euro (~240.000 HKD) – 51.000 Euro revenue, 26.000 Euro expenses.

• In the first half of 2012 I made around 42.000 Euro revenue (~400.000 HKD). I think the profit over this period should be between 25% and 50% of that.

• I currently have about 42.500 Euro in my bank account.

• I am currently developing a new system.

• I have analysed all of my previous strategies and efforts and designed this system based on that.

• It should be ready before the shopping season at the end of the year, in fact it’s almost in a stage where we can start testing it.

• When the system is finished it should result in a huge boost in revenue and a reliable stream of income.

I don’t have any degrees or certificates for proof of my expertise. I finished school at the age of 18 or 19 and after that I tried studying at the university but that wasn’t for me, so I started something on my own. I then learnt everything I know now through trainings and courses on the Internet and from first hand experience.

Do you think I will get a visa?”

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12

Jul 2012

The Visa Geeza on RTHK Radio Three – July 2012

Posted by / in Musing, Refusals & Appeals, Visitor Visas / 7 responses

Stephen Barnes & Phil Whelan

I really enjoyed my entanglement with Phil @ Morning Brew today when he really went to town on the question of people who overstay their visa and Professional Visitors. We also talked about the Hong Kong Immigration Department as a system and what happens when the hammer falls on people doing their umpteeth Shenzhen Shuttle for the year.

You can listen to our discussion here.

I will be visiting Phil next sometime in August, not sure just when yet.

In the meantime why not check out Phil’s show on Facebook and also listen live to his show via the web here:

 

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11

Jul 2012

The Hong Kong Immigration Department – What an Efficient Organisation They Really Are!

Posted by / in Long Stay & PR, Musing / 11 responses

It’s not often that I am required to physically present myself at the Hong Kong Immigration Department these days. My staff usually take care of the administrative aspects of the Hong Kong Visa Centre case load and I have not been in to see the operations of the HKID myself for a couple of years now (at least).

If a particular case calls for a personal interview of an applicant by the HKID, then I always accompany the client; but mostly these interviews, rare as they are, occur on floors not often visited by the hoi polloi so I never get to see what’s really happening around the place.

So when my daughter, Sayana, arrived here with me earlier this week to spend some time having fun with her Hong Kong mates, I jumped at the opportunity to go along with her to Immigration Tower to experience how she had her HKID card issued to her.

What a surprise. I can say that the process was really very good – for a routine administrative exercise. Waiting was kept to a minimum, the staff were friendly and obviously enjoyed their work. We were in an out in about 40 minutes and there didn’t seem to be too many numbers ahead of ours at any stage in the process.

And we were just walk in punters, pitching up without an appointment.

So if you’re going through the process of issuing your Permanent Identity Card for the first time, this is what you can expect to encounter:

1 – Report to Reception – hand in your completed application form. The lady will smile at you as though this is the first time she has ever done this process before and just can’t wait to get started.

2 – Receive a Number – sit and wait for about 15 minutes. Then be directed to a booth where another nice lady will make ready to take your photo and fingerprint. If you’re with your offspring accompanying her through the formalities she will smile incessently at you both and make respectful comments about how you look alike and how well you look for your age.

3 – Go & Wait for Interview – until your number is called again. Not too crowded and only 4 people ahead of us in the line. 10 minutes all up.

4 – Meet the Immigration Officer – in the flesh, real life.  Quick scan through the passports to ensure eligibility is maintained, print out of the temporary ID along with complementary photocopy provided as part of the service (“just in case you lose it”) and that was that.

I’ve done lots of personal immigration stuff in Australia before and I can honestly say Hong Kong beats my adopted country hands down when it comes to customer service, value for money and efficiency of process. While Australia merely talks of an improved service experience for Australian Immigration service-users, Hong Kong is already delivering it day in, day out.

Good stuff guys. You should be applauded. Keep up the great work.

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05

Jul 2012

Hong Kong Travel Pass Used to Keep An Extended Family Together – Quite Lawfully!

Posted by / in Case Study, Family Visas, Visitor Visas / 12 responses

This case study discusses how the creative, yet perfectly lawful, use of the Hong Kong Travel Pass worked to allow a newly separated extended family from the Philippines to be able to carry on their lives together in Hong Kong even though a much-desired dependent visa was not available in their circumstances.

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28

Jun 2012

Winning a Hong Kong Right of Abode Approval in Record Time – Just 4 Days!

Posted by / in Case Study, Long Stay & PR / 10 responses

The Hong Kong Immigration Department come under fire, in our view somewhat unfairly quite often times, when in reality they truly are a customer-focussed governmental agency.

In June of 2012 we had a client who needed to secure his Hong Kong Right of Abode in a hurry. A combination of factors conspired to work against his application being submitted in sufficient time to expect his application to be approved efficiently and quickly.

However, as you will learn in this Case Study from our files, the Immigration Department bent over backwards to assist our client and his application was finalised and approved in just 4 business days case processing time and with just 3 days left before the clock was due to run down on his essential eligibility for a Permanent Identity Card the first time around.

Normally, it takes a minimum of 4 weeks to complete such a Hong Kong Right of Abode application!

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