Contact Hong Kong Immigration and make your visa expire? This question comes up often enough for it to warrant another explanation of the arrangements which prevail (current ImmD practice)…
QUESTION
Dear Visa Geeza,
I’m under the impression that when you leave a company that has been sponsoring your employment visa or if you are fired, that as long as your visa hasn’t expired you are allowed to stay in Hong Kong and look for new employment.
Can the company you have just left contact immigration and make your visa expire immediately so you therefore lose the right to stay in Hong Kong and look for work?
ANSWER
This scenario is very much an old chestnut; so, I’d like to take this opportunity to hopefully sort of bury it once and for all time. Effectively, when you secure an employment visa sponsored by a Hong Kong employer, you get two privileges: (1) you get the privilege to do the work – that’s nominated in the employment contract for the sponsor of record, and (2) you also get the privilege to reside – that flows naturally from the privilege to work.
When you stop working for your current employer, your privilege to work ceases, but your privilege to reside continues until your current limit of stay expires, or the Immigration Department remove it from you, whichever is the sooner it is; in fact, the Immigration departments standard practise to allow the current limit of stay to expire where there has been a situation such as yours, and therefore you will be allowed to remain in Hong Kong to carry on your lives until your current limit of stay expires, whereupon you’re expected to leave.
Additionally, it is considered a ‘permitted activity’ under your continuing privilege to reside to look for and indeed interview for work. However, it is not ‘permitted activity’ to take up that employment. Therefore, prior to joining in a new company (sponsor) in Hong Kong, you will have to make an application to change your sponsorship so that the Immigration department can apply the approvability test in the context of the new job offer that you’ve got in hand and will then, once applying that approvability test, determine whether you should be able to take up that employment and in the process re-invoking your privileges to work for that new employer. So that’s how all of that works.
In terms of an ex-employer contacting the Immigration Department and ask that your privilege to reside in Hong Kong be suddenly be immediately revoked, the Immigration Department tend not to get involved in issues associated with reasons as to why an employment might have come to an end.
In other words, an employer does have an obligation to inform the Immigration Department of material change in circumstances as regards their sponsorship charges – and so normally an employer will write to the Immigration Department to advise them of the official date of employment termination (and the Immigration Department just hold that on file and the termination date of your prior employment becomes a matter of your record), but the employer cannot sort of overreaching themselves and saying that you should not be allowed to remain in Hong Kong for reasons such as you having not have done your job well or any of this kind. The Immigration Department won’t take on board any of that, as they just look at the circumstances dispassionately and will just reflect the fact of your cessation of employment with that sponsor, rather than taking any steps towards, in a sense, punishing you for what might have passed during your prior employment, and not making it possible for you to make an honest application to change your sponsorship and continue your lives in Hong Kong on the basis that you’ll be able to get that change of sponsorship application approved.
In a nutshell, the answer to your question is: an employer can’t effectively kick you out of Hong Kong just because they happen to be your employment visa sponsor of record.
I hope you find this useful.
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My biggest concern is the ability and feasibility for my girlfriend from Mainland China to be able to join me in Hong Kong.
Please can you advise on possible options.
She only graduated just over a year ago, so a Mainland Talent visa, I assume, is definitely out.
Thanks for your time, much appreciated.
ANSWER
As you have identified already the mission of Mainland Talents and Professionals Scheme which provides an opportunity for mainland graduates who are deemed to be talents or professionals to come to Hong Kong to take up employment on the strength of having received a job offer here from a suitable employer.
This visa programme is not going to be suitable for you in your circumstances because of the fact that your partner is a new graduate. So because of the floodgate mechanism that works in Hong Kong, in a sense to keep down the numbers of mainland residents taking up residence here, realistically, having looked through the options available to you, I would suggest that your best possible chance of being able to carry on your joint lives in Hong Kong is for her to get a student visa, potentially go ahead and participate in a master’s degree programme from a Hong Kong university – and it must be a graduate degree in this respect, or she could take an undergraduate programme as well if she wanted to take another bachelor’s degree on board. However, my advice would be to apply to do a master’s degree and thus get a student visa that would then allow you one year together until she graduates. And then at the end of that one year upon graduation, she could apply for a visa under the immigration arrangements for non-local graduates, which effectively gives her a carte blanche visa to go and work for anybody, no questions asked, for another year, and at the end of that year, as long as she’s got and employment with a suitable and credible sponsor, and the compensation that she’s receiving for the work that she does is broadly commensurate with market rates, then she’ll be able to carry on getting extended in Hong Kong under those arrangements on an indefinite basis through to seven years, as long as she’s in full time employment each time that she makes an application to extend her visa.
So, really cutting to the chase, if you want to carry on your lives in Hong Kong, really the only option you’ve got is a student visa, then immigration arrangements for non-local graduates. I hope you found this useful.
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This question mainly relates to business rather than immigration law but is still an important question nonetheless…
QUESTION
Hello
I have a Hong Kong dependant visa that gives me the right to work in Hong Kong. I have been offered a Regional Asia role based out of Hong Kong by a Canadian company.
This company is not registered in Hong Kong.
Can I work for them as sole proprietor under my Hong Kong dependant visa ? Or do they need to register as a limited company?
If they register here can I work for them on my Hong Kong dependant visa?
Appreciate your help.
ANSWER
Strictly speaking, from an immigration perspective, there is no preclusion to you taking up employment with any party in Hong Kong, because the legal dependent visa effectively gives you carte blanche approval to engage in any kind of activity in Hong Kong so long as it’s lawful and as long as you continue to remain under the sponsorship of your spouse – the principal employment visa holder.
The issue really here is the question of how you go about ensuring that you personally and the activity that you engage in is lawful from the perspective of your income, because you do need to be reporting the results of your work activity to the Inland Revenue Department.
And normally, if you’re an out and out employee, your employer is registered as a business here, and the act of registering as a business allows the Inland Revenue Department to be put on notice that you should be sent a tax assessment for the work that you do working for that registered business in Hong Kong, and given that your proposed employer doesn’t have a registered business in Hong Kong, the question is begged as to how you will be able to ensure that your income is reported to the Inland Revenue Department so that you are compliant with revenue law. And as you’ve alluded to in your question, registering as a sole proprietorship is the way forward, simply because there is no other way for the Inland Revenue department to understand, essentially how you’ve been earning your living, and by registering as a sole proprietor, getting a business registration certificate, the money that you receive from that overseas entity will be recorded in your hands as income, and after due allowances have been made for expenses as a registered sole proprietor, then you’ll have at the end of the exercise an accessible income to tax and you’ll pay a tax on that.
But insofar as the registration requirements of the proposed employer in this regard, as long as they are not going to be carrying on a business here and the work that you do will be as an independent contractor representing the interests of that foreign business, then there is no preclusion or issue at all in terms of how you will be working for them so long as you yourself is registered as a sole proprietor, and you report your income to the Inland Revenue Department in that fashion. I hope you found that useful.
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This is an important question on the business investment visa for Hong Kong….
Experience suggests that the Hong Kong Immigration Department do tend to look favourably upon such business plans, but the applicant absolutely does not have it all his or her own way, as you will learn in my PodCast answer. (Please note the subject matter of the business in this question is just an ersatz surrogate. I have changed it to ‘fear of flying’ to protect the identity of the service nature and maintain the confidences of the person planning to establish this very unique enterprise.)
QUESTION
“I, an American citizen, have been planning on beginning a stress-management therapy business in Hong Kong for adults who suffer from a fear of flying.
The market is a whole lot bigger than you might imagine given that intrinsically Hong Kong is a small, far flung place that is typically accessed by commercial flights.
Consequently there is hardly anything in Hong Kong and the rest of Asia generally which offers this type of private therapy course, plus post-therapy support, for adults who simply can’t summon up the courage to get into an airplane.
Each intensive therapy course will run over a 3 day period, 12 hours per day. The objectives of the therapy are not just to allow participants to control and overcome their fears, but become incredibly self-confident in the process.
I personally have 8 years of first-hand experience in this very successful therapy. I have been through the same programme as a student, now a graduate, coach and course instructor.
I don’t hold any tertiary qualifications except for a Diploma at college.
My girlfriend, who is also a coach and course instructor on the programme, holds a bachelors degree.
The start-up costs are very low. I envision I can start employing 1 person full-time after 7 months and 2 people in part-time employment after 10 months.
The business is basically a franchise in many respects. The programme is already a worldwide business (the America’s, UK, Australia, South Africa, Europe, NZ, etc) so this will be the Asian branch.
In that case, is there a possibility the owner/inventor of the programme could help fund the start-up in HK or would that relegate myself to an ’employee’ status in the eyes of the HK officials rather than a ‘Business Owner’?
With only US$6,000 in capital available to me at the moment, I believe my best route is to try to register the business over in mainland China first.
I have not looked into the hurdles one must pass to start a business over here (I’m in Guangzhou) but it may be easier than HK.
If I can do it, I have the prospect of having around US$25,000-US$40,000 come April-June next year.
With that money available, and the proof of income making already from the business in mainland China, that may be a better time to apply for the Investment Visa in HK?
I expect business to be operating full throttle after 14-18 months from start up in Hong Kong bringing in around US$40,000 a month from then on.
I also plan to keep studying Mandarin and Cantonese language classes so I can eventually teach the courses in native Chinese language which will increase my market.
Do I have a good chance of obtaining an Investment Visa?”
ANSWER
The fact of the matter is that the Immigration Department do place significance on the nature of an enterprise that’s going to be supporting an application for an investment visa by a foreign national, and if the space that the foreign national is going to be establishing a business in can be said to be advantageous to society more generally than just the contribution that it makes to the economy of Hong Kong, experience tells me that the Immigration Department do factor that in quite heavily.
That having been said, there is still a requirement for the enterprise itself to be credible on every front. So sort of dealing with the general themes that you raise in your question in no particular order, but will all tie properly together at the end.
I believe I’ll start off by saying that the USD6,000 that you’ve got to invest in the business will not work for the Immigration Department. I mean, quite apart from the fact that the visa calls for an active investment, USD6,000 really isn’t sufficient capital to actually get the business off the ground, and the Immigration Department do know that typically any business that is going to be relying upon revenues to be earned to finance itself tend to be a stew by the department.
So you’re going to have to have a decent wedge of capital under your belt to persuade the department that you’ve got the necessary resources to give effect to your plan because, as we know, just because you’ve got a really good business idea doesn’t mean that it’s going to be successful by mere fact that it is an idea and it’s a good idea, you’re going to have to invest money into taking it to market and bringing it to the attention of people who are going to be providing you with the revenues to ensure that it’s successful. So USD6,000 isn’t going to cut the mustard, I’m afraid. On the other hand, if the franchisor took an equity stake and provided a bulk of the capital, that would significantly improve your chances of success. But as a business with you owning a piece of the action, the Immigration Department would apply the investment visa aprovability test to your application, rather than the employment visa provability test, and they are two different animals: one focuses on the individual skills of the applicant – that’s the employment visa probability test, whereas the investment visa aprovability test focuses squarely on what the business is all about and how it can make a substantial contribution to the economy of Hong Kong. But in a strange way, if your franchisor came in and effectively took the bulk of the equity this could be advantageous, because unless you’ve got specific qualifications in the fear of flying space, as it were, I suspect the Immigration Department would conclude that you’re not actually qualified to undertake this work as an employee. Therefore, by going down the investment visa route, it puts the focus on the chances of success as a business, not how qualified you are as an employee; and once you get to a point where you’re really sort of ten to 15% shareholder in a company, the Immigration Department, they’re going to be applying investment visa approvability test here in any event. So that definitely could be a way for you to fast track your plans to come into Hong Kong if you’re prepared to go into business with these people.
In terms of the turnover at USD40,000 a month, I mean, this is a half a million dollars a year and that will definitely pass muster with the Immigration Department. So your revenue numbers are absolutely on the money for an approval in terms of you potentially being able to take your limited capital pool to China first and starting your business there before you bring it to Hong Kong.
Like you, I’m not really in a position to understand what will pass muster in China, whether or not you can get immigration status in the way that you envisage. But I can tell you that if you use China as a proving ground and establish this practise there first, it will definitely be a good idea, because what that will mean is the Immigration Department will be able to access the documentation that shows that it has worked.
In fact, it is working under your stewardship in China and it becomes de risked from the Immigration Department’s perspective, particularly if you’re going to wait until another eight or nine months down the road when you do anticipate that you’re going to come into funds of up to say, USD40,000. That level of financing together with a track record in China, together with your experience in this space, together with the creation of local jobs in the first twelve months, together with a projected half a million USD in revenues turnover in the first twelve months, I believe the Immigration Department would give you an investment visa on that kind of story with those kind of resources in place. So, from that perspective, I think, you’re onto a pretty good opportunity if it all falls into play in the way that you’re hoping it to.
Now, the only other question that you’ve raised that I need to address relates to this question of your girlfriend and who is ostensibly qualified to perform this work.
I think implied in that inclusion in the question is the idea that you’re going to have your girlfriend come and work in the business for you, which, on the basis that she doesn’t have immigration status for Hong Kong, will mean that this business is going to have to serve as an employment visa sponsor for her, which, as a new business, is going to raise a lot of questions with the department having said that if you can fold her into the story in such a way to suggest that the business is going to grow with her contribution, together with your contribution, to the extent that the two of you on the books, as it were, your ability to sell more is going to be increased, and that will then, by extension, allow you to create a bigger business, and the creation of local employment opportunities is going to be improved over and above the numbers that you’ve mentioned in your question. So don’t take it for granted that just because the Immigration Department partner buying into the idea that you will get an investment visa, but it’s assuming that your girlfriend, under the sponsorship of this new vehicle, will be able to get approved accordingly. That’s a separate challenge that will need to be examined in light of where you are in your business at the time that you make your application. It is not impossible, but you certainly need to think about that as a separate application exercise; don’t factor it into your own application mix, as it were.
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A foreign national became a permanent resident after many years study and work in Hong Kong.
Now he wants to sponsor his parents holding Canadian passports to become a P.R.
In Hong Kong too – any way to do that?
How long will it take for the application?
Thank you.
ANSWER
In Hong Kong there is no facility to automatically secure permanent residency for foreign nationals other than the process of undergoing seven years of continuous ordinary residency in Hong Kong. So notwithstanding the fact that there is a situation where an individual – foreign national, has recently secured permanent residency that in of itself is not going to parlay or translate into opportunities for permanent residency for any other family member automatically, other than for dependent children under the age of 21 who were born in Hong Kong whilst such a person was a temporary resident here.
In any event, in order to secure status to allow dependent parents to be residents in Hong Kong sponsored by a foreign national permanent resident, the only manoeuvre that’s available is to apply for dependent visas for the elderly parents, and elderly in that regard is over 60 years of age.
The application is relatively straightforward, but you need to show that there is dependency on the part of the parents, and that the sponsor can put food on their table and a roof over their head.
Once those dependent visas have been independently secured, those elderly parents will maintain their residency under dependent visa status throughout all of the seven years that follow the issue of the dependent visa in the first place, and at the end of that seven-year period they will be able to independently apply for permanent residency in their own right.
So, to answer your question, no ability for permanent resident foreign nationals to automatically undergo process to get permanent residency for any other supporting family members or accompanying family members, but there does exist a mechanism for elderly parents in this type of scenario to become permanent residents after seven years of holding dependent visas. I hope you found that useful.
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Sometimes, the sun and the moon align beautifully on a set of circumstances to allow an unmarried couple to spend time together in Hong Kong when ordinarily visa circumstances conspire against them. Not on this occasion, however!
QUESTION
“Hi there,
I have just recently returned from Hong Kong to Canada where I am a citizen.
My boyfriend lives in Hong kong and I have travelled there 3 times in the past 2 years to see him only as a quick 2 week holiday each time.
Covid is a problem for us now obviously.
We frequently talk about me moving to hong kong to live together.
Obviously if I was to live in Hong Kong I would have to find work and have an income. I guess the reason for me sending you this message is to find out which is the best visa application for me to look into?
I had hoped to maybe stay there for up to 1 year.”
ANSWER
In your situation, it would seem that the working holiday visa would be the ideal solution for you.
The working holiday visa is available to Canadian citizens as well as to a number of other different nationals, and the premise of the working holiday visa is to allow the holder a primary intention to holiday in Hong Kong and it’s available to you if you’re aged between 18 and 30 and that you can show sufficient proof of having – in the case of a Canadian, HKD15,000 in your bank account to fund your proposed stay in Hong Kong.
You also need to show that you have a return air ticket when you arrive and also that you have got medical and comprehensive hospitalisation and liability insurance in your name. On the basis that you can satisfy these requirements, you can get a working holiday visa.
The working holiday visa effectively gives you a twelve-month limit of stay in Hong Kong where you can come to work for up to four employers during your time in Hong Kong, with an absolute maximum of three month stay for each employer.
Making the application is very straightforward: you can download the application form from the website – the requisite link is attached to this post on the blog so that you can know where to go for the information, you submit the application directly to Immigration Tower by post. NB, you must be in Canada at the time that you will file this application and you must be ordinarily resident in Canada at the time. But as you’re a citizen- as stated in your question, I don’t think that’s a problem.
Therefore, on the basis that there’s quota available and you can show that you’ve got the money and that you are applying whilst you’re in Canada and you’re ordinarily resident in Canada, I don’t see any problems as to you moving forward with a successful application for a working holiday visa.
It would certainly appear to be the suitable solution in your circumstances given that you only intend to stay for one year in any event; and certainly in that time, it will then allow you to get some relationships moving with employers and understand how Hong Kong operates from an employment perspective, and assuming that you qualify separately for an employment visa in due course, on the basis you can get yourself a job offer, then reason why you could entertain, subsequently, an application for a full employment visa in your own right, once your working holiday visa term has come to an end.
Life in Hong Kong throws up many new opportunities and this question seeks to understand the implications for 7 years continuous residency in respect of an eventual right of abode application where an overall switch over in life plans sees a lady intending to relinquish her employment visa for a student or dependant visa …
QUESTION
I am a Canadian citizen living in HK. I have an employment visa and want to leave my job. My fiancee (Canadian citizen) has an employment visa and we will be married in 10 months.
1. Can I leave my job (my employment visa has been extended until 2014), stay in HK on my employment visa until the wedding, and then transfer my visa to a Dependent visa linked to my husband?
2. Will this 10 month gap of non-employment, (even though I have 2 valid years left on the employment visa) count as a break in the 7 year continuous living requirement for permanent residency? I will remain in HK.
3. Will a dependent visa still count towards permanent residency?
4. Does permanent residency need to come from only one type of visa, or can it come from multiple visas?
5. Is there any benefit to having an employment visa over a dependent visa for permanent residency or privileges as a HK resident?
6. Can I attend a HK based university under the employment visa or must I change the visa to a student visa?
7. Will the time between the date of resignation and the beginning of my student visa (if I choose to do this, possibly 4-6 months) break the continuous living requirement for permanent residency?
ANSWER
I really love it when questions like this are laid out so logically and sequentially because I can just get to the height of the question without worrying too much about the facts to ensure that my advice is as accurate as it can be. So, cracking on number one question, the answer is yes. The moment you stop working for your current employer, your ability to continue to work in Hong Kong ceases at the point of your employment termination, but the privilege to resign continues on.
So, as long as in that time you’re maintaining all the vestiges of settlement in Hong Kong, then for all practical purposes the fact that you are not going to be working whilst you have an employment visa with a limited stay that’s still valid should not break your continuity of residence, specifically or particularly if you’re going to be preparing for nuptials in that time.
So, yes, you can transfer from employment visa to a dependent visa and expect that it’s not going to break the continuity of residence, which effectively answers your second question, as long as, as I said, you can show that all throughout this time you have been continuingly engaged in activities that can be said to suggest that you are settled in Hong Kong, and, as I said, preparing for your nuptials to a Hong Kong resident is certainly good evidence of this. So, yes, you’ll be fine in that regard.
The time spent as a dependent visa holder will definitely count towards permanent residency, so long as you’re going from your employment visa into your dependent visa back to back any state of administrative flux in relation to your change of immigration status should not preclude you from qualifying/having that time qualify under the seven year rule.
In reply to your question four – effectively you need a residence visa, and that residence visa can be reflected in any kind of visa other than visitor or indeed any of the other categories, such as a foreign domestic helper or if you’ve been admitted under the supplementary labour scheme. People admitted under these programmes do not have the privilege of being able to count time spent as a whole holder of that type of visa for the purposes of continuous ordinary residence. So, yeah, going from one employment visa to a dependent visa is not going to be a problem for you.
I think I’ve answered the question five – if there’s any benefit in having employment visa or the dependent visa for permanent residence privileges of Hong Kong resident. No, it doesn’t make any difference. It’s all about the act of settlement.
In reply to your question number 6 – Well, under the employment visa, you’re entitled to join in a part time course of study. If it’s your intention to engage in a full time course of study, then you need to relinquish your employment visa and change to a student visa. So for all practical purposes, in your circumstances, time spent as a student, which would then subsequently adjust to dependent (once you’ve got the marriage to your fiance out of the way) all of that will count as good time for ordinary residence purposes when it comes to your right of abode application.
Subsequently, and finally, the answer to your last question is again no. As long as you can show that you’re engaged in the act of settlement or continuing engagement in the act of settlement throughout all of this time, then it will not break your continuous ordinary residence for the purposes of a right of abode application.
Problems only ever come into play with breaking continuous ordinary residence, if you effectively relinquish your residence visa status and don’t do anything about reinvoking it or reinstating it, I should say within a very quick period of time after it’s expired. But if you’ve got continuous back to back residence visas throughout all of this time, and the ordinary pattern of your life suggests that you have been settled in Hong Kong throughout all of this time and in fact, any absences from Hong Kong during this time have been of a nearly temporary nature, as evidenced by what you leave behind to return back to at the end of your temporary sojourn abroad. And at the time that you make your application for permanent residency, you can show that you’ve got back to back tenancy agreements or you’ve got residential accommodation arrangements in place, for example, such that you bought your own property. And you can show that as long as you can show that you’ve got your tax returns all in good order and that, for all practical purposes, you’ve got an obvious manifest pattern of normal continuous ornament residence in Hong Kong throughout those seven years. The plans as you set them out for me in your list of seven questions suggest that you won’t have any problems at all when it comes time to making your application proponent identity card.
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